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In the opening sentence, "whatever means necessary" should link to the article By any means necessary for context on the subtext and history behind this phrase. 50.81.227.4 (talk) 14:58, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:30, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

JDL Kicked off Twitter

https://forward.com/fast-forward/390450/jewish-defense-league-white-supremacists-booted-off-twitter/

Should be included in the Article. No mention of "Twitter" at all.Tym Whittier (talk) 18:31, 31 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable early funding

I was reading the article The Woman on the Bridge. It details the suicide of Gloria Jean D’Argenios (a.k.a. Estelle Evans), who committed suicide after Meir Kahane (a.k.a. Michael King) broke-off an affair with her.

King/Kahane said he setup a memorial foundation in her name after she died, but it was used to funnel money to the Jewish Defense Fund:

[After her death] ... he set up a memorial foundation in her name, which was a Trojan horse to raise money for the organization that became the Jewish Defense League.

And:

All his underlying hatred for others seeded the origin for the JDL in the spring of 1968. “We have no great funds, no great influence, so the answer is simple: to do outrageous things,” he told New York Times reporter Michael Kaufman in January 1971. Money had to be raised, though, and it required setting up charitable, tax-exempt foundations. One of them, incorporated in August 1967, a full six months before the official existence of the JDL, bore the name of Estelle Donna Evans.

Finally:

When [New York Times reporter Michael Kaufman] Kaufman asked Kahane about the foundation’s namesake, the rabbi claimed she had been his former secretary in his failed consulting operation, she had died of terminal cancer, and her “well-to-do” family had endowed the foundation.

I believe that is text book money laundering.

Jeffrey Walton (talk) 15:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

category: anti-islam sentiment etc

hi ‎Nableezy I have indeed read the article. You reverted my deletion of the category: anti-islam sentiment, but didn't address the problem: namely that per the category's own description, we are not supposed to file people, groups or institutions under it. So, I would like to ask you to self-revert or otherwise we could start addressing the actual problem here: that the RFC from 2011 I linked in my edit doesn’t reflect Wikipedia consensus anymore. What would you like? (related discussion: Talk:Project_Veritas#Category:_anti-islam_sentiment) Best, Mvbaron (talk) 14:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article covers violent acts against Muslims. Not just the group. nableezy - 17:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Im sorry but this makes no sense. This article is quite obviously about a group, an organisation as the lede says, and category:anti-Islam sentiment says “It must not include articles about individuals, groups or media that are allegedly anti-Islam.” I’m happy to go ahead with a RFC to re-evaluate consensus on the category but the issue is not so easily waved away as you make it look like. Mvbaron (talk) 17:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inactive?

According to the last sentence of the first paragraph of the lead, the group is designated “inactive” by many lists, but this isn’t expanded on in the body at all, and it doesn’t appear to be supported by the source. Can anyone clarify? — HTGS (talk) 05:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wondering the same thing. There website is inactive, and I can't find any media coverage from the past few years. Marquardtika (talk) 02:02, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here's something that might be useful. Marquardtika (talk) 02:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

update

A major leader of the Jewish Defense League in Israel (Itamar Ben Gvir) was elected to the Knesset yesterday in a party that will be the second largest in Netanyahu's future coalition. Worth updating? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.1.159.151 (talk) 13:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Gvir's party is Jewish Power ... is that related to the JDL? Sources? Iskandar323 (talk) 14:19, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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__________ In the introduction, please change:

"The Jewish Defense League (JDL) is a far-right religious and political organization in the United States and Canada."

to:

"The Jewish Defense League (JDL) is a far-right religious and political organization in the United States and Canada founded in 1968"

while the founding date is listed elsewhere, that date should be in the introduction-- mainly, because now it sounds now like it was founded in the 2000s, given the reference to when JDL was listed on the FBI terrorism watch list. The intro should clearly indicate how long the organization has existed.

Thank you. 71.167.251.99 (talk) 18:29, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the need for this. It clearly states the founding year in the lede just a few sentences down. The info about the terror classification is important enough of a point to have been mentioned right at the top, and the historical info can be found shortly thereafter. StonyBrook _babble 20:15, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]