Talk:President (card game)

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Page should be moved or split to President

I'm not sure which one is the more common variation, the original variation was President correct me if I'm wrong. Therefore President should be the main page (or a split). Valoem ^talk 20:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The goal is to use the most common name, per WP:COMMON. I feel that Asshole is the most common name. However, if you find more reliable sources that call it President than Asshole, we could move the page. hmwith τ 20:53, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, I just saw the notice on the page. You want the page split? I don't think that's what you mean. Do you disagree that they're the same game? hmwith τ 20:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the page should be split, as the game "President" is not always the same as the drinking game, even if they are similar. The game "President" is not always played in bars, but for fun and is a very common card game. Most of the "general rules" are very different. For instance, cheating is not allowed in most games, and at the beginning of the next round, the bum gives the president 2 of his best cards and the president gives the bum any 2 cards (usually his worst), and the vice-pres and vice-bum do the same with only one card. I can make this new article, if you guys want, I just want to get the ok from someone. Cainine (talk) 21:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has an article titled Daihinmin about common variants that do not involve drinking. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 15:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup

I cleaned out a number of variations and house rules that didn't seem to have many (or any) references on the web. Nothing had references here either. --AW (talk) 06:25, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this called Scum now?

I didn't see any reason for the move. I think Asshole is by far the more prevalent name. For example, if you google asshole card game you get 1.1 million hits, while "scum card game is only 367,000. --AW (talk) 22:54, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I felt like based on the talk page, its status as a drinking game was less notable than as a non-drinking card game. I chose "scum" but "president" might be a more logical title. Red Slash 23:29, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, President is a much better choice. (176,000,000 hits) I've heard of it more as "asshole", but often as "president" or "president and something" but never heard the name "scum". The Steve 03:17, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I moved it --AW (talk) 17:19, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dork? Anyone?

I've just been taught a card game new to me. I was told it is called 'Dork' (from Durak?), and the name and rules were apparently passed on from someone in Cuba to a person in London, UK. I can't find any rules for Dork, but the rules in this article 'President (card game)' are identical to the rules for Dork! Has anyone else used the name 'Dork' for this game? --Observer29 (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from The Great Dalmuti

The Great Dalmuti is just a commercially packaged variant of the folk game. That article serves nothing but a promotional purpose in stand-alone form like that. The designer name-dropping in it strongly suggests WP:COI / WP:SPAM. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 09:48, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Strip out the rule variants

Back in 2007, most of the local/quirky/seldom-used rule variants were stripped out in favor of the base game — with notable variants described in another section. It seems that a lot of the variants have snuck back in to the point where the main gameplay article is basically unreadable. What do y’all think — can we filter out some of the unsourced chaff? Graham^talk/mail/e 02:14, 7 November 2017 (UTC) Graham^talk/mail/e 02:14, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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"celiaci"???

In the section General Rules > Burning Cards, one line says "if you are celiaci, you automatically win the match". What is "celiaci"??? That's not an english word, doesn't appear anywhere else on the page & a web search only returned foreign language pages & references to celiac disease.

Will somebody please clarify what that line means, for me, please? ProphetZarquon (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a joke. It was added a few weeks ago. I've taken it out. --Lord Belbury (talk) 19:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Trouduc

Hey y'all. This game is also the same as the French Trouduc, an account of which appeared on page 20 (48 on the source) of 27/12/1987 of Sud-Ouest Dimanche[1]. A translation and further outlining of it is described in A Dictionary of Card Games pages 316-319 [2]. I think it's pretty interesting how it evolved, and Parlett makes the claim it evolved from Durak and Svoyi Koziri. Although I could see where the idea could originate from, I'm not sure if I entirely agree. Regardless, thought it would be a good idea to add this to the article. Since it's already active I figured I'd let the community decide on it too.

1. https://archives.sudouest.fr/storage/timemachine-so-prod/high?path=data/1987/12/27/04/00/54cb26c688e445d7ff911aa678db828f360389ebaa668c31572dcbb5be0fe7c7.jpg 1 (alt). https://archives.sudouest.fr/search/?page=2&page_number=&publication_date_from=27/12/1987&publication_date_to=27/12/1987&query=&sort=score 2. https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofcard0000parl_e8f2/page/316/mode/2up

Bobpaw (talk) 05:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bombs

The article mentions bomb cards but doesn't really explain what a bomb card is 2600:1700:3870:FE40:79FE:6D9A:E0E:7C57 (talk) 04:20, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More clean up needed

This page still needs more work. It's very confusing and all over the place, especially the "notes on play" section. I just read a wiki page on a similar game called Zheng Shang You that also has a lot of variations and rules but was very simple and clear and also had a great section that made note of variations. Maybe the page on that game can help give a structure for this one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_Shangyou?wprov=sfti1 Katiewoz (talk) 13:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I attempted to clean up the language, but I agree that it still needs more work. Deaddebate (talk) 07:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]