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Discussion for Today

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December 23

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Wives of Louis XII

Propose deleting Category:Wives of Louis XII (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Very small category with no prospect of expansion in which all articles are already categorised within Category:Queens consort of France. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Three wives is a perfectly reasonable size for this type of category. Dimadick (talk) 10:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional gnomes

Propose merging Category:Fictional gnomes to Category:Gnomes

Nominator's rationale: Are there non-fictional gnomes? Fram (talk) 08:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. The lede in Category:Gnomes suggests that's the intention of the category, and it has a simpler name. No reason to have two categories here and no reason to keep Category:Fictional gnomes --Northernhenge (talk) 12:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, the distinction seems to be about modern fiction as opposed to old legends. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge There is no real distinction. It would be hard to come up with one that isn't WP:OR. Jontesta (talk) 19:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main criterion would probably be if there is a known author behind it. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. While I'm not sure we have the right names for the categories, separate categorization strikes me as more helpful than not. Thinking about navigating categories as a reader, I would find it more confusing than clarifying if I find articles about medieval folklore like the Dutch legends about Kabouter next to pop cultural creations like cereal mascots Snap, Crackle, and Pop. As for whether there's a distinction, while the borders can be fuzzy and are socially constructed, as with lots of things in humanities about stories of non-reality like mythology, pop mascots, literature, etc., it's not original to us as Wikipedians to note a distinction that society has made. (See for instance A Companion to Folklore (Blackwell Publishing, 2012) for discussion of both the sometimes-association and sometimes-differentiation in society between folklore and forms of fiction like literature). Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 02:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this reminds me of the difference in fairytales between the oral tradition and ones that originated with named authors. For the authored ones, some are written for children, some to express feminism, some as adult horror stories etc etc etc. --Northernhenge (talk) 14:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additional proposal: create Category:Legendary gnomes as also a subcategory of Category:Legendary creatures. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the comments by Marcocapelle and Hydrangeans?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster (talk • he/they) 20:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, after I just boldly created Category:Legendary gnomes, the argument that legendary gnomes and gnomes in modern fiction get mixed up is no longer applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Per nom, just not enough individual fictional gnomes to make this a viable category. It might be recreated at a future date, but right now... it's not necessary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - While I appreciate Marcocapelle being bold, the main topic for "gnomes" is gnomes from myth, not the derivative fictional ones. This should probably be handled more like Category:Fairies. In an effort to avoid usage of the phrase "pop culture", how about splitting to Category:Gnomes in fiction, instead? I think the "-in fiction" phrase is starting to gain standardization. - jc37 21:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If not merged, Category:Fictional gnomes should at least be renamed to avoid confusion, but Category:Gnomes in fiction is hardly any clearer. What about e.g. Category:Gnomes in modern culture? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fantasy video game characters by franchise

Propose merging Category:Fantasy video game characters by franchise to Category:Fantasy video game characters

Nominator's rationale: The following category feels incredibly out-of-place given the fact that there currently no other categories for "Fantasy __ characters by franchise" other than this one, and the "Fantasy video game characters" itself only has only other category; making this category ultimately unhelpful. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]