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Good article reassessment for 1980 National League West tie-breaker game

1980 National League West tie-breaker game has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 00:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Infoboxes in Team season pages

Taking a look through, I noticed the Boston Red Sox team season pages, have "GB" in the infoboxes. This isn't included on other teams' season pages infobox. GoodDay (talk) 01:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't really see the need for that in the infobox. Spanneraol (talk) 12:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I've deleted the "GB" bit, from all the Boston Americans/Red Sox team season pages' infobox. GoodDay (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

World Series program image

I notice that 2024 World Series (and others before it) has an image of the World Series program cover, but it's non free, with the claim to serve as the primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the work in question. But World Series' pages already display the series' logo, so it seems excessive to claim the program is also needed for ID purposes. Am I missing something? —Bagumba (talk) 10:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Team graphics in baseball season pages

Howdy. It appears that @Frontsfan2005: is adding 'team graphics' to baseball season pages (I've noticed the season pages of the International League for example). I realize that WP:BASEBALL supports the inclusion of "team maps". But adding "team graphics" seems pointless, as it's mostly decorative & only gets repeated later, in the stats section. Should they be deleted, the team graphics. GoodDay (talk) 18:32, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Oakland Athletics#Requested move 4 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Oakland Athletics#Requested move 4 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 17:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

President of baseball operations

Seeking input from this community as to if we've reached a point where it makes sense to split out President of baseball operations as an independent article, rather than only being discussed in the General manager (baseball) article. Earlier today I created a REDIRECT for president of baseball operations, pointing to the relevant section of the GM article. Looking at the content there, along with the number of people who hold the role (e.g. Dave Dombrowski and Jed Hoyer), or who have held the role (e.g. Theo Epstein and Larry Beinfest), I think it makes sense to split out the content, but wanted to check with others here first. Dmoore5556 (talk) 04:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Is it basically "team president"? GoodDay (talk) 04:27, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

It is not. Team president is a broader role, with both baseball and non-baseball responsibilities, whereas the president of baseball operations has final authority over baseball decisions, being superior to the team's GM. Dave Dombrowski is a good example, currently with the Phillies and previously with the Red Sox; he's not been the president of either of those teams. Some teams have people in both president and president of baseball operations roles, one current example being the Boston Red Sox with Sam Kennedy as president and Craig Breslow as Chief Baseball Officer (the Red Sox' wording for the president of baseball operations role). Dmoore5556 (talk) 04:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

For now, I'd say don't split. WP:PAGEDECIDE mentions:

Sometimes, a notable topic can be covered better as part of a larger article, where there can be more complete context that would be lost on a separate page ... Sometimes, several related topics, each of them similarly notable, can be collected into a single page, where the relationships between them can be better appreciated than if they were each a separate page

My understanding is that there's currently no prototype organization structure. In the grand scheme of things, the president of baseball operations title is WP:RECENTISM. What's more encyclopedic is explaining the traditional GM responsibilities in relation to the new ones e.g. analytics, salary management, investments, etc. and explain how new positions might overlap or been usurped from traditional GM. It would also be cleaner if General manager (baseball) trimmed down on the typical WP:EXAMPLEFARM. —Bagumba (talk) 05:09, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Maybe what Wikipedia could use is an article for "Major League Baseball franchise", which could describe some of the typical organization structures and roles. There can be a discussion of how the roles have mapped onto different positions through history and with different franchises. isaacl (talk) 05:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if sources talk about it generically, but a WP:BROADCONCEPT article for all sports (or at least North American) could be appropriate. Sports teams more or less have the same functions, with baseball having had player development (minors) much longer. NBA has had a similar "president of basketball operations" for a while. —Bagumba (talk) 06:42, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm a bit wary of being too broad, as I suspect there are broad cultural and country-related differences. I'm guessing trying to cover a La Liga franchise, with its sports academies and lack of a collective bargaining agreement, in the same article as an MLS franchise and say an NFL franchise is going to be difficult (and I'm not sure adequate sources making broad comparisons exist). isaacl (talk) 07:59, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Very good input, thank you all. General consensus at this time is not to split out president of baseball operations content from the general manager (baseball) article. With regards to "describe some of the typical organization structures and roles", I noticed that in the Major League Baseball article there is a section "Organizational structure" (which is about MLB itself) followed by "League organization", but there is no content on how teams/franchises are structured—perhaps there's an opportunity to add something there, touching on common/typical roles from owner down through coaches. Lastly, I concur that the general manager (baseball) article could be trimmed a bit (WP:EXAMPLEFARM)—the list of Major League Baseball general managers article could use similar refinement. I'll work on things in the near future as time permits. Contributions from other editors certainly welcome. Dmoore5556 (talk) 01:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Merge two articles

I tried to redirect Amateur Baseball Federation Of India to Amateur Baseball Federation of India (because the only difference in the titles is the capitalization for "of"), but was reverted. GreekApple123 (talk) 13:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

It appears that the revert, was itself reverted, and the redirect is now working as you expect. You may (or may not) want to check with the editor who reverted your change, to see what they felt was wrong (although they really should have explained the revert in an edit comment...). Dmoore5556 (talk) 22:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I reverted his revert... It appears that a new editor created that article, possibly not knowing of the existing article. Spanneraol (talk) 22:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

MLB player teams box question

When updating the teams boxes for a player who was recently traded during the MLB offseason, how should I go adding the {{mlby}} template to their teams box? ReallyAmazingDude13 (talk) 21:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

You don't need to do that until the new season starts and they actually play for the new team. Spanneraol (talk) 22:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

So wait until the 2025 season, and then add it to their teams box? ReallyAmazingDude13 (talk) 00:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Not exactly. Teams get added to a player's infobox only once he appears in an official game (not spring training) for his "new" team. Simply being on the roster doesn't count. Dmoore5556 (talk) 01:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)